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>> Well, I'd like to
welcome everybody inside

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Mission Control.

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We're pleased to be joined this
morning by Gennaro Caliendo.

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Gennaro is based at the
Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

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He is the partner manager for
the commercial crew program

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for Boeing, one of
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in the Commercial Crew
Integrated Capability contract--

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or not really contract, but
space act agreements, I guess.

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>> Right.

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>> But continuing with that

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and that was just
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Gennaro, welcome
to Mission Control.

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We're glad to have you here.

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>> Thank you for
having me, Kyle.

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>> Gennaro comes to NASA
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in the aerospace business down
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He started out-- hails from
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>> Right.

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>> And had a big interest in
aerospace and a friend suggested

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that there might be some
opening down in Florida

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and that's how you ended
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>> Yeah. That's good
memory, Kyle.

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That was a while back
we had this discussion.

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>> Well yeah, Gennaro,
we talked back in March

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when there were seven partners--

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space act agreements right?

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And of course now the programs
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that we're working with now
and you retained the role

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of partner manager
with Boeing right?

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>> Oh, for Boeing, right.

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>> Obviously, one of the
reasons that Gennaro's here

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and I'll let you
talk about this.

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This is your-- you're having
kick off meeting starting

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actually today with
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and the whole team has
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We are all here.

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We got in here last night
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to a good review starting this
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>> We'll talk about what that
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that all the partners are
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we are going to have
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with the three partner managers.

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Gennaro happens to be going
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to the meetings and so we're
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but talk a little bit about
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[inaudible] called the
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and essentially what it
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that they're going to be using

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over the next 21 months
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baseline design is meeting
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and then any points of
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from this point forward that
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or things that they need to fix

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and that's essentially
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and hopefully we'll have a good
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from the partner
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under the CCDev 2 part of this
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on accomplishing the task of
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against Boeing's design
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as it becomes a more integrated
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which is this space
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to NASA type requirements and
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our small partner
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health and medical, and we
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of those different categories
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as well as the Marshall
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on the expertise that
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obviously they have a capsule
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through the early stages
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that's what they've
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and then reenter similarly
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on wheels it's going to
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to do it is they're
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one of them being air bag
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that they can actually
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to make sure the
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to produce a launch
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in working together, it
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in terms of the integration
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working closer together,
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of why you retained your
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are in a new kind of environment
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as we try and figure out
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on both sides to try and get
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out of both sides and we provide
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nowadays than we did
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and we also have the right
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of help the-- get them
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We're talking with
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Gennaro is the partner
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of the commercial crew program
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in town in Houston for
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to basically get
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which is Commercial Crew
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Boeing was awarded
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of this latest development as
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to get to flight in
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about what was accomplished
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that they-- all these
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to a critical design review
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review, this is where they're
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on paper and then seeing how--
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to see how adequate they are
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that they needed to do
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to prevent these
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I know you already
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It's a-- it is still new.

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We are getting a lot
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working in this environment
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There are still a few
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sharing data is really
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to this type of business.

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and restrictions about how
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previous knowledge

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from all those other programs,
a shuttle station even,

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>> Right.

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>> -- certainly helps and, with
regard to all of that activity.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And of course that's one of
the reasons that Gennaro is here

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with the whole team is to
get all that work started

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and get more and more
comfortable working together

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and get started with
all these milestones.

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And so we'll let you go and
get started with all that

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and we really appreciate you
coming by and joining us here

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in the station flight control
room 'cause obviously one

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of the goals is for Boeing to
hopefully send that capsule

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with crew members from US soil

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to the International
Space Station

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to make it even more robust
in terms of crew transport.

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So Gennaro we really
appreciate you stopping by.

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>> Thank you Kyle.

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Thank you for having me.

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>> Sure. Gennaro Caliendo, he is
the partner manager for Boeing